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Elena Khoziaeva, Bridgeway

Real Small Cap Value Exposure

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Why index exposure to small size and value is a starting point rather than a destination, and what it means to build a strategy that is deeper on both factors than the benchmark and stays that way when the factors are out of favorThe Bridgeway culture: half of firm profits donated to the Bridgeway Foundation, a seven to one internal salary cap written into the business plan on day one, and a research process built around zero defensivenessHow the portfolio gets built, starting from the smallest 40 percent of the US market, then removing negative momentum and pending stock situations to take the fallen knives back out of a deep value screenWhy a multi metric valuation measure produces a natural quality tilt, and why running that measure across the universe instead of within sectors is what creates the financials overweight and the light healthcare weightWhere small cap value sits in the cycle: a median book to market ratio of the Russell 2000 Value to the S&P 500 near 2.8 against a long run norm around 1.6, and why Elena tells investors to hold the allocation rather than trade it

Elena Khoziaeva joined Bridgeway Capital Management in 1998 as partner number six. She still has the offer letter. Twenty five years on she is co-chief investment officer of the Houston firm, and she came on Behind the Ticker with a question for anyone holding a small cap value index fund: if you believe in the small size and value factors, why is your exposure to them so shallow? The index is a starting point, not a destination. The real question is whether someone can give you smaller and cheaper than the benchmark and stay there when the factors go out of favor.

The Firm Behind the Strategy

Bridgeway is worth understanding before the fund is. It donates half of firm profits to the Bridgeway Foundation, which funds work to prevent genocide and mass atrocities, and it caps the internal salary ratio at seven to one. Founder John Montgomery wrote both into the business plan on day one.

What that buys on the investment side is a research culture with the defensiveness taken out. Elena's line is that Bridgeway is competitive with the world but not competitive with each other. When a researcher presents internally, the expected posture is not a defense of the result but a question about what got missed. She treats intellectual humility as a model input rather than a poster on the wall. Research nobody is willing to attack is research that breaks later.

What Deeper Actually Means

BSVO is the Bridgeway Omni Small-Cap Value ETF, listed on the Nasdaq at 45 basis points and actively managed. The predecessor mutual fund launched in 2010 and converted in 2023, so the strategy is a good deal older than the wrapper.

The build starts with the smallest 40 percent of the US equity market, deciles seven through ten, which on a purchase basis puts the average name under $3 billion. Then come the sidestep screens, which strip out negative momentum and pending stock situations. These exist to solve the problem deep value creates for itself. Screen hard enough on cheapness and you will buy things that are cheap because they are dying. The screens take the fallen knives back out.

Only then does the valuation work run, and it runs on multiple metrics rather than one. That choice matters more than it sounds like it should. A single ratio hands you the cheapest names and nothing else. A combination measure pulls in profitability and quality as a byproduct, which is why Elena describes the portfolio as carrying a quality tilt she never explicitly asked for.

Six Hundred Names on Purpose

The strategy holds close to 600 stocks, several times what most small cap value peers carry. Elena's answer to why is that this is not a stock picking product. It is asset class exposure with deeper factor loading, not a concentrated bet on 40 favorites. The portfolio is cap weighted with position limits at the top, the top 10 holdings come to roughly 8 percent, it rebalances monthly, and turnover runs 25 to 30 percent.

The number that makes the case concrete is correlation. Elena puts the strategy's monthly correlation to the S&P 500 since inception at 79, against 83 for the Russell 2000 Value. That gap is the argument. For an advisor whose large cap sleeve has quietly turned into a concentrated position in a handful of mega caps, deeper factor exposure does more diversification work than the standard index would.

The Sector Tilts Are an Output

There are two ways to run a value screen. Compare within sectors, energy against energy and financials against financials, and you get something close to sector neutral. Run the measure across the whole investable universe and it sends you wherever value actually is. Bridgeway does the second, and that is the entire explanation for the tilts.

Financials run overweight and banks are the largest industry group because that is where the screen keeps landing. Healthcare runs light, which Elena treats as timing rather than a view. After the sector's run in 2025 it is not screening cheap, and she expects it back when it does. Nobody at the firm has a house call on banks.

The Spring

Elena ballparks the small cap value multiple in the 14 to 15 range against large cap growth in the 30s. The measure she watches more closely is the median book to market ratio of the Russell 2000 Value against the S&P 500. The long run norm sits around 1.6. At the end of last year it was 2.8.

Her metaphor is a spring, and the point of it is speed rather than size. The tighter the spring, the more powerful the release. She points at the first quarter of 2026, when large growth fell 10 percent while small value rose 5 percent, a 15 point spread inside a single quarter, and notes that the space can run 5 percent in a day.

Which leads to the advice she gives without hedging: do not try to time it. If you believe in the allocation, hold it and add systematically. The turnaround here is fast enough that anyone trading in and out will be on the wrong side of both moves. She stops short of calling small cap value a core holding, since sizing depends on risk tolerance. Her argument is only that there should be a line for it at all.

Key Takeaways

  • Elena's argument is not that small cap value is underowned, but that most exposure to it is shallow. The strategy targets smaller size and deeper value than the benchmark and holds that posture when both factors underperform.
  • The process screens the smallest 40 percent of the US market, strips out fallen knives with negative momentum and pending stock screens, then applies a multi metric valuation measure that produces a quality tilt as a byproduct.
  • Close to 600 holdings is deliberate. The fund is asset class exposure rather than a concentrated bet: cap weighted with position caps, roughly 8 percent in the top 10, rebalanced monthly at 25 to 30 percent turnover.
  • Running the value measure across the universe instead of within sectors is what produces the financials overweight and the light healthcare weight. The tilts are an output of the process, not a macro call.
  • Elena puts the median book to market ratio of the Russell 2000 Value to the S&P 500 at 2.8 at the end of last year against a long run norm near 1.6, and argues the reversal comes fast enough that trying to time it is a losing exercise.

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Full Transcript

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Machine transcribed from Brad Roth's conversation with Elena Khoziaeva, Bridgeway, with speakers identified automatically. Timestamps link to that moment on YouTube. Lightly cleaned, otherwise unedited.

0:00
Brad Roth

Welcome to Behind the Ticker, the podcast where we go beyond the symbol and into the strategy. I'm Brad Roth, founder and chief investment officer at Thor Funds. And in each episode, I sit down with ETF managers, CIOs, and industry leaders to break down how these funds are actually built, how they behave in real markets, and how advisors use them in real portfolios. Most people just see a ticker symbol, but we know much more goes on behind the ticker.

0:40
Elena Khoziaeva

Hey, Elena, welcome to the show. Good morning, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure and an honor.

0:47
Brad Roth

Yeah, I don't know about an honor. This is still a pretty low-budget show, but I appreciate you being here. Why don't we start with you giving everybody a bit about your background? I always say if I did my research correctly, you grew up in Belarus, you earned your bachelor's degree, came to the U.S. and got your MBA from the University of Houston and joined Bridgeway back in 1998. You've been at the firm for over 25 years and you're now co-chief investment officer. Can you walk us through that journey and how it unfolded?

1:17
Elena Khoziaeva

You pretty much did it. So, I do have two homes. I say that I'm a lucky person because I have my home in Belarus. My parents are there, my brother's there, and I'm doing my best to visit them as much as possible. difficult travel right now, but I'm still committed. And then I came to the United States as a young, with a degree in economics and auditing and accounting. And I had to get it qualified. And my really dream, it's interesting, like different people have different American dreams. My dream was to continue my education. Like I really wanted to study in an American university.

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2:00

And I've done different programs. At the end, I was admitted to the master's program in the University of Houston. So, interestingly, never really wanted to be an accountant, but got a master's degree in accounting. And later in my career, I found it incredibly useful to be able to understand financial statements, to actually analyze stocks and do a lot of systematic analysis, financial analysis, based on the accounting background. And I have a colleague, Christine, here as well, who is a CPA and an auditor. And the same thing. It's incredibly useful to understand what's behind, your show is behind the ticker and what's behind the numbers. So, again, accounting background is very helpful in this case.

2:46

And, again, Joint Bridgeway was here a partner number six. So, I still have my offer letter from all these years ago. Enjoyed seeing the company grow. We're at 24 partners right now. We have about right under $5 billion under management. Eleven strategies, kind of spectrum ranging from the asset class exposure in segments of U.S. equity market to a global hedge fund with zero correlation to equity market. And to give you a timeline, we launched our first mutual funds, three mutual funds in 1994. So, that was before my time.

3:28

And seeing a lot of, growth, some combinations, some closures. And most recent launch would be of this absolute return hedge fund in fall of 2024. So, continue to grow, continue to expand, going into global markets. We have an emerging opportunity strategy as well. So, it's amazing to see this company stand the ground, succeed. It's not easy in the current world. But I'm excited to co-lead the team with my partner colleague, Jacob Pajarni. So, we call ourselves partners to reflect our sense of ownership, accountability.

4:11

So, being owners of the firm is very important for that, for that sense of responsibility. And that was in 2022. So, 2005 was when I was named the portfolio manager on several strategies. And along the way, learned more and more. Worked with John Montgomery very closely, who is our founder and former CIO. He is now a CEO of the firm. And, now I'm in a position of the co-CIO, working with Jacob closely to lead the investment team. Wonderful.

4:42
Brad Roth

So, I always like to ask before we get into it, any hobbies? What do you like to do when you're not working?

4:51
Elena Khoziaeva

That's not much time. But I have a very diverse family, both geographically and age-wise. So, that makes it interesting to put together this combination of when to see each other and travel. So, I joke that one of my hobbies is trying to figure out the travel. And then the travel finally happens. It just gives me, joy and satisfaction that, I used to go on long, big trips. And now it's like a couple days with even a part of the family is a gift. We just came back from Niagara Falls, where I took my oldest son and my youngest daughter. And we had an incredibly great time.

5:32

And so, that would be probably my how I'd be enjoying and happiness in life of spending time with family. Wonderful.

5:40
Brad Roth

So, let's talk. You've talked a little bit about Bridgeway already. But for the people and the listeners who are not familiar with the firm, can you give us a high level of the investment philosophy over at Bridgeway? Absolutely.

5:53
Elena Khoziaeva

Absolutely. So, my elevator speech. We are a boutique investment advisory firm that follows systematic approach to investing. So, there's different ways to describe it. Some call it quantitative. We like systematic because it reflects the discipline of our approach. We do believe in a disciplined statistical process. It's important that it's based on academic theory. So, we'll talk about omni-small-cap value and you ask me why you believe in those factors because it's based on decades of academic theory. And as well as we want to see fundamental data over very long periods of time, decades of data.

6:35

We, as I mentioned, have strategies across the size spectrum and the style spectrum. Majority kind of asset-wise invested in this kind of small-cap value space. And we have multiple approaches to that investing. Some ranges from the asset class exposure, which is what we're going to talk about today, to more of an active select, more of a diversified value approach. As well as we have a very large blue chip ETF that is a great performer, elegant design, equal-weighted ETF that we are managing. And we also have this recent endeavor into the global markets, international markets, as well as the absolute return strategy.

7:23

So, Jacob Pajar brought years of expertise running such strategies. And so, he's working with a team on managing this global opportunities strategy, as well as some other strategy in the emerging market space. So, diversify from the factor standpoint, from the approach standpoint. And we really want to offer solutions and opportunities for all kinds of investors.

7:51
Brad Roth

So, I read, and this would make, I've interviewed a lot of firms, like a genuinely differentiator, unlike most other asset managers. Did I read you guys donate 50% of firm profits to charity through the Bridgeway Foundation? And you also capped the salary ratio at 7 to 1. And that was baked into the business plan kind of on day one. Can you talk about what that culture is like inside the firm?

8:16
Elena Khoziaeva

So, we call it mission and vision as one. So, Bridgeway supports Bridgeway Foundation, which is an incredible, hard to believe, or, life-changing things in the world. We have been donating a significant chunk and, the 50% historically would be the correct number to nonprofit organizations. It created this culture and a connection and a unified mission for the partners. So, you are doing your everyday job. You are part of the investment team. You're part of the operations team. And you're part of Bridgeway. But you're also part of something bigger than that.

8:57

It's like, we read, we talk about what the foundation is doing across the world. And it's incredible. You have shivers. And, like, it's hard to believe that you're part of that, that you're supporting this kind of work. So, stopping genocide was John Montgomery's mission and, part of investment or, business plan when he started Bridgeway. We have done incredible strides there with the help of Bridgeway Foundation. And we continue to be working together on that. Another thing with culture is, and it's related to this cap that you mentioned that we've had. And it's people come to Bridgeway because they, one, is they love what they're doing.

9:44

And, two, they want to be a part of the team. And they want to kind of have fun, enjoy, and collaborate together. So, and it's, I've seen it on investment team years and over years. We say we're competitive with the world, but we're not competitive with each other. And, like, I really like this idea of when we present internally. So, here's an example of the culture. When we have the research work presented within the research team. There is zero defensiveness. There is, humility is a very important quality when you're developing something new. Research wouldn't be called research if we knew what we were doing, right?

10:26

So, we sometimes are endeavoring and moving into some new ideas. And it's easy to get caught up in that. Oh, I have this great result. Here's what it is. And if we just do it X, Y, and Z, it's going to be. It's incredibly important to say, do you agree? Do you see anything else? Is there anything else that I want to be doing? And so, that sense of collaboration and know that you can be wrong and be open to that being wrong helps us create stronger models, stronger alpha, more consistent strategies. Something better for the shareholders and investors because we are open to that criticism, feedback internally.

11:04
Brad Roth

So, let's get into BSVO, which is the Bridgeway Omni Small Cap Value ETF. It's listed on the Nasdaq, 45 basis points, actively managed. The fund's predecessor, Mutual Fund, launched all the way back in 2010. So, long history with this particular strategy. And you converted it into an ETF in 2023. At a high level, can you talk about what the strategy is designed to do?

11:30
Elena Khoziaeva

Very high level. The strategy is designed to provide exposure to two factors, small size and value, the combination of the two. But it takes it to the next level. So, you could get that exposure from, index-based strategy. Like, here is your small cap value ETF. And it is a reasonable approach. But if you really believe in a small and value, why not find a manager that has smaller size exposure than the benchmark, than the index, and deeper value, and stays very consistent with that approach. So, the high level description that you're getting with this strategy is a deeper value, smaller size, consistent over time, and is really kind of designed to perform in the environments when smaller value are doing well.

12:24

And typically, in those environments, it's doing better than the benchmark because of this tilt of the deeper exposure that it kind of creates internally. And it's constantly rebalancing towards smaller and deeper value names.

12:37
Brad Roth

So, small cap value is one of the most academically studied factors in equity investing, going back to PharmaFrench. Like, why do you and the team believe, I guess from a theoretical level, why the small cap premium is still a durable source of long-term returns?

12:54
Elena Khoziaeva

Because of exactly what you said. It is such a long studied factor. There's so much evidence supporting the long-term outperformance, long-term risk premium embedded in the small cap value stocks. The risk is still there. The returns are there. It's just a matter of the time frame to capture that. So, to me, it's supported by academic theory. It tested over long-term periods of time. It delivers what is expected to deliver during the times when these factors are outperforming.

13:38

So, it's a matter of the kind of reversion. And we call it this spring is tighter. When the spring is tighter, the comeback is very strong. And you can see what happened in 2021, for example. Or what we're seeing even this year of the comeback of the factors that happened in the first quarter of 2026, when the market was down 4% and the Russell 2000 value was up 5%. The comeback is pretty rapid. And it's important to have that consistent exposure to that factor.

14:10
Brad Roth

So, when I looked, it looks like the strategy holds close to 600 stocks, which is a big number compared to most pure small cap value ETFs. Why go so broad?

14:23
Elena Khoziaeva

That's a way to provide diversification. And so, let me, this particular strategy, as I mentioned, what we call asset class exposure. It is about, not about, looking for the best players and being, having a focused, concentrated strategy. It is about delivering to investors an opportunity to invest in small cap value asset class, but go deeper in both of those factors. So, the weight, and then we diversified from the standpoint of the number of names. The strategy is cap-weighted to some degree with some maximum limits on the top.

15:05

That allows us also to have higher capacity for the strategies for the cap-weighted versus, an equal-weighted strategy in the small cap space. And it brings the diversification to the table with us having this many name in a strategy.

15:19
Brad Roth

So, when you're rerunning, so I guess from a rebalance cadence, I know the fund is active. Like, how often are you rerunning your factor screens? How often are you adding and removing names or re-weighting this portfolio? On a monthly basis. Okay. And so, I noticed, the top 10 holdings are about 8% of the strategy. In a market, as we know, that has been obsessed with concentration, especially in mega cap and tech, what's the case for a portfolio that is this deliberately spread out? I guess you just, you mentioned diversification. But how are you generating that, excess alpha over the benchmark with so many names, I guess, in the portfolio?

16:03

Mm-hmm.

16:05
Elena Khoziaeva

Let me talk about kind of several levels of diversification. One is specifically, like, at the strategy level and maybe even as the asset class. we talked about the reward for, basically, with the gift of time and the gift to account for volatility of ups and downs in order to capture this higher long-term expected returns. That's one reason to invest in small cap value. Another one is what we call factor diversification. It's, think of it as an asset class diversification, but there is also factor diversification. And because our strategy has deeper exposure to small in value, we actually deliver a greater diversification to a large cap, what you mentioned as a concentrated allocation.

16:50

The correlation of monthly returns of the strategy since inception to S&P 500 index is 79%. That compares to 83% of the correlation of monthly returns to the S&P 79. That compares to 83% for Russell 2000 value. So it is still lower correlation. It reflects better diversification. And that's another reason to consider that as a potential investment is not only for return potential, but also for diversification to that exposure to the large caps. Now, specifically going within a strategy, we, during rebalancing, so we can talk about the high level, how we are creating this portfolio.

17:34

But during rebalancing and when we're creating and following the table portfolio, there are certain limits on the top for max positions. And they can appreciate, so you may see, higher positions as our holdings. But as we are going through our holding period and as we're rebalancing, we will be trimming and selling the names that are no longer small in value, that are past our criteria, and investing in a deeper value and smaller names. And so that rotation is not too high at the level. the turnover of the strategy is about 25% to 30%. So it is a relatively low turnover strategy. And so we are taking time to, enter and exit the positions.

18:17

But nonetheless, that's the idea. And it's definitely an opportunity to have exposure to a strategy that offers greater diversification with a big, large cap core allocation. And then within a strategy, you're not exposed as much. You don't have such active exposure to individual positions, as you may see with other strategies.

18:39
Brad Roth

So you've got some meaningful sector tilts inside the strategy. Historically, you've been a little bit more overweight, financials and energy and underweight healthcare compared to the Russell. Talk us through how those exposures come out of the process and why they say about where value shows up in small caps. Like what is, I guess, maybe more unique about your factor process or your screening process that those tilts start to show themselves?

19:07
Elena Khoziaeva

Sure. There's multiple ways of creating, constructing a portfolio or, running the value screens. And when we run our, so just taking a step back, we're talking about a small cap, smallest 40% of the U.S. equity market. So deciles, 7, 8, 9, and 10. This is kind of where we're starting from the small size perspective. So we're already below, I would say, on average, when we are on a purchase basis, below $3 billion. So they're not, large cap names. They're small and very small names. And then within that space, we have some sidesteps and removals.

19:49

And we can talk about that just to kind of have a more robust universe with less risky stocks. And then we apply our evaluation, which, by the way, is a multiple metric valuation measure, which is very important. We're not using just one way of measuring value. It's multi-metric, multi-measure. That allows us to actually have a higher quality positioning in the portfolio. And within those names, let's say you have a universe. This is how you can run your evaluation measure. There is two ways, two distinct ways of creating a value portfolio. You can do it within sectors, where you're comparing, energy to energy, financials to financials, and select names that rank high by the measure within a sector.

20:39

Or you would kind of run your measures across the universe. And that way, you really go into the sector that has the kind of the most undervalued, the most attractive by your measures. So we are taking the latter approach. And because we're looking for the deepest value exposure, we are running our evaluation measure across the, investable universe, so the filtered universe. And that creates more sector tilt. We do have constraints in place. So yes, we're typically higher on the financials, but that usually is the highest percentage of the index.

21:20

So financials tend to represent about 25% of the index. We are higher than that. Banks is the most, the biggest industry group. Again, we're higher on banks. Healthcare, it may be a matter of time. There could be times when healthcare is undervalued, and we'll have more selection in that sector. At the same time, after a run-up of healthcare in 2025, that may not be exactly our most, undervalued or value-tilted sector at the time. So it reflects the positioning of the valuation measures that we have. And we do run it, but within the constraints that we have for our research.

22:02
Brad Roth

So let's talk about small cap and small cap value as a whole. we all know it's had a rough decade of underperformance relative to large cap growth. So now valuations, excuse me, it's a small cap and look very different than what we're seeing at the top end of the S&P. So how are you thinking about where we sit in this overall cycle?

22:25
Elena Khoziaeva

We're still, small cap space is still undervalued versus large cap. high level, I don't, I'm going to throw some numbers at the top of my head. Let's say P of small cap value space is at 14, 15, and P of the large cap growth space at the 30s. We also measure the difference between a book-to-market ratio. And we've put some kind of charts together and talked with our clients about how big of a gap and a difference is between the median book-to-market ratio of, let's say, Russell 2000 to S&P 500 or Russell 2000 value to S&P 500. And where we sit right now.

23:06

So I can give you like some relative numbers. The median ratio of book-to-market of Russell 2000 value to S&P 500 is about 1.6. At the end of the last year, we were at 2.8. So, a significant gap. There's still a lot of room. And even with the recent comeback and stronger performance on the year-to-date basis of the Russell 2000 value, there are still significant opportunities to capture. And the interesting thing about this space and the smaller and the deeper value the names are, the more important that is. It's how quick the turnaround can happen. it's pretty fast, pretty rapid when you can have a 5% run in a day.

23:53

Right. And I tell investors, tell people, tell just generally, it does not, if this is part of your allocation, and this is an important thing, like don't time the market. Don't think that you're going to catch it both ways, in and out. Just have an allocation to the space. And, do either monthly or systematic investing. And that's probably the best way not to destroy value, I would say, from that perspective. But, yeah, so still valuation indicates that there's still a significant potential. We have seen the first quarter of 2026 with a big gap between large growth and small value, which is about 15%, with growth being down 10% and value being up 5%, small value.

24:44

In this particular quarter, size still was a strong performing factor. it really added to returns. The smaller names did significantly better than larger names. But on a value growth perspective, that's what we're seeing, a little bit of a pullback, let's say. So the value factor just had some mix. We call it a barbell returns, where the most expensive and least expensive names did well. And, so it's not a strong pattern of returns. But nonetheless, the size indicates if you take the 15% for Russell 1 and 22% for Russell 2.

25:27

There is a continuing run for the small caps.

25:29
Brad Roth

So I was looking at the strategy on Morningstar. It's got very consistent, high ratings. And so is the consistency driven by the fund have everything to do with the quantitative and systematic and disciplined approach that you guys put in, day in and day out? That, that is driving the consistency of returns for these particular strategies that you guys run?

25:56
Elena Khoziaeva

I would say three things. One is, I will come back to my note about our evaluation measure is multimetric. So we are not relying on just one ratio. It's a combination measure. And that in its own creates more of a, to some degree, even a quality screen. So by using multiple valuation measures, we tend to have higher quality positioning than if we use just, let's say, price to book or price to earnings. And so that's an important part of the design of the strategies to have some exposure to this profitability and quality factors so that during the times when those are performing well, we can also participate in that.

26:47

The second thing is we do, per design, have several ways to screen what we call bad players. So, again, helping the consistency of performance. And that is kind of screening the negative momentum names, screening the penny stock, something that is not consistent. It's a risk for their strategy. And so allowing us what, we've been asked, how do you screen for, what do you think about fallen knives? And so that's a way to address that, to remove fallen knives from the portfolio, the deepest value names that continue to go down. One, we implemented a variety of screens to help us with that. So I would say that's the reason number two for that. And three is, I think, alignment of expectations and results.

27:31

We are very clear that this strategy is, deeper value and smaller. So when the two factors are out of favor and for a long period of time, we will tend to underperform. And that's expected. So, knowing that there is this, and then on the other hand, when the small and value do well, the strategy tend to perform strongly and kind of bounce back and deliver out performance in that period of time. So that adds to the consistency over time. And I think the importance of this multi-measure valuation screen, our sidestepping approaches, as well as the kind of aligned expectations with results is what adds to the consistency.

28:19
Brad Roth

Great. So I ask this question to everybody. Your answer is going to be much easier than some. We talked to a lot of very, I would say, unique funds on this show. But who is this strategy designed for? And how would you, if you're sitting down with an advisor with an already diversified model portfolio, kind of recommend how they would implement this strategy alongside some of their other holdings?

28:41
Elena Khoziaeva

I would say look at the long-term results, long-term risk premier from these two factors. And, I think, again, going back to the beginning of this conversation is it's if investor or advisor has a belief in a small size factor and value factor, and they are ready to get exposure to those two factors. They can get it in a regular ETF index-based approach. Or why not go smaller than the index? Why not go deeper value than the index?

29:22

And you see in a strategy that actually remains pure to those, remains consistent with these approaches and performs well with expectations. So where would that search take you? So, and that's how I think of it. It's the exposure to the deeper value, smaller size. It may not be the core allocation. It depends on the risk tolerance. It depends on the asset allocation and the preferences of investors. But I would strongly kind of pound the table that there is a place for small cap value allocation. It depends, the percentages depend on the risk tolerance. But it's definitely to capture the benefit of the long-term return potential and diversification to the, large cap space.

30:08
Brad Roth

Well, Elena, I really appreciate you spending some time with me today. Before I let you go, I need to ask, where can people learn more about Bridgeway and find information about all of your strategies and funds? Oh, that's even easier. Bridgeway.com. Okay, great. Well, Elena, again, thanks for hanging out with me today.

30:26
Elena Khoziaeva

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.